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Teruki M. | I'm home and reading the chat again so it
says "online" but I haven't uploaded the files yet. I'll let you know as
soon as everything is ready, Thanks. | 11:59 am |
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Teruki M. | | 11:19 am |
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Teruki M. | No problem, talk
to you soon. | 11:19 am |
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Dejan M. | Looking forward
to hearing from you | 11:19 am |
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Dejan M. | | 11:19 am |
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Dejan M. | and you are the
one who decided about the quality of the files converted, which is
essential | 11:19 am |
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Dejan M. | The only
important thing is to set everything right | 11:18 am |
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Teruki M. | Sure, please
wait a bit, thanks | 11:18 am |
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Dejan M. | It's not the
problem at all | 11:18 am |
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Dejan M. | I'll contact you
when I finish conversion, then if everything is ok, you would be able
to check the quality | 11:17 am |
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Teruki M. | OK, im actually
in the passengers seat of a car heading home so I"ll do so within an
hour | 11:17 am |
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Dejan M. | That would be
great, just send me the links | 11:17 am |
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Teruki M. | It depends on
the OS, but a couple now. Oh I can uploade them to my server | 11:16 am |
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Dejan M. | Because
limitation for sending files here is 50MB, if I remember correctly | 11:16 am |
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Dejan M. | | 11:16 am |
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Dejan M. | How much do you
have that don't work? | 11:16 am |
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Dejan M. | Yes, ok, that's
what I needed | 11:15 am |
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Teruki M. | | 11:15 am |
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Teruki M. | | 11:15 am |
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Teruki M. | | 11:15 am |
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Dejan M. | | 11:15 am |
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Teruki M. | | 11:14 am |
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Dejan M. | Several
minutes, hour, couple of hours? | 11:14 am |
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Teruki M. | | 11:14 am |
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Dejan M. | What is the
time of the longest file you are using? | 11:14 am |
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Teruki M. | | 11:13 am |
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Dejan M. | | 11:13 am |
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Dejan M. | Can you please
tell me one thing | 11:13 am |
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Dejan M. | | 11:13 am |
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Teruki M. | I will go home
now so that I can send you everything you need. | 11:13 am |
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Dejan M. | We can not
continue if you didn't understand everything | 11:13 am |
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Dejan M. | | 11:13 am |
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Dejan M. | | 11:13 am |
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Teruki M. | | 11:12 am |
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Teruki M. | ok, i
understand most of them | 11:12 am |
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Dejan M. | | 11:12 am |
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Dejan M. | For
professional programmers these are the things the form the price | 11:12 am |
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Dejan M. | Of course,
proper indentation is also important, so you can clearly follow what
program does | 11:12 am |
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Dejan M. | | 11:11 am |
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Dejan M. | Otherwise, only
the one who wrote it can maintain it | 11:11 am |
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Dejan M. | So that it
could be maintainable | 11:11 am |
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Dejan M. | Every program
must have comments on places in code where needed | 11:11 am |
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Dejan M. | | 11:10 am |
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Dejan M. | So please be
aware that could be problems with it | 11:10 am |
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Dejan M. | Another reason
no one wanted this project is actually this conversion | 11:10 am |
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Dejan M. | Ok, than
everything is good | 11:09 am |
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Teruki M. | | 11:09 am |
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Dejan M. | Is this too
much for you? | 11:09 am |
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Dejan M. | But the price
should be around 500$ | 11:09 am |
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Teruki M. | | 11:09 am |
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Teruki M. | Sorry I didn't
understand "enough comment" part | 11:09 am |
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Dejan M. | Second thing,
if your files are demanding, I'll have to change my program for
conversion | 11:08 am |
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Dejan M. | Yes, if it
doesn't have enought comments, it would be hard to integrate it | 11:08 am |
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Teruki M. | So just the
matter of integrate into my program, and it depends on my program how
much itll cost? | 11:07 am |
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Dejan M. | It's a common
rule for the price | 11:07 am |
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Dejan M. | Therefore, the
price will depend on how your program is written | 11:07 am |
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Dejan M. | I'll also
provide the speed of my program for conversion | 11:07 am |
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Dejan M. | When I send
converted files, you will be able to play them with different speed | 11:06 am |
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Dejan M. | Because you
decide about the quality of the files | 11:06 am |
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Dejan M. | Basically, I
don't need anything from the programmer | 11:05 am |
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Teruki M. | | 11:05 am |
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Dejan M. | In order to add
what's necessary | 11:05 am |
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Dejan M. | The price will
depend on the program you have, and which I have to change | 11:05 am |
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Dejan M. | I wanted to
explained more about it | 11:05 am |
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Teruki M. | | 11:04 am |
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Dejan M. | Sorry, I wanted
to say "must not hurry" | 11:04 am |
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Teruki M. | | 11:04 am |
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Dejan M. | | 11:04 am |
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Teruki M. | | 11:04 am |
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Dejan M. | It is the
easiest things to send me the files | 11:04 am |
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Dejan M. | | 11:04 am |
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Dejan M. | | 11:03 am |
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Dejan M. | to see how to
integrate it | 11:03 am |
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Teruki M. | Still I have to
go home,to send the files. Will you be around for a while? I'll be back
in 1 hour | 11:03 am |
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Dejan M. | If you are,
I'll need your program | 11:03 am |
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Dejan M. | and then send
you to check if you are satisfied with the quality | 11:03 am |
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Dejan M. | I must check
the performance with my program | 11:02 am |
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Teruki M. | | 11:02 am |
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Dejan M. | | 11:02 am |
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Dejan M. | I need wav
files that have problems | 11:02 am |
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Dejan M. | | 11:02 am |
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Dejan M. | As I explained
about conversion in general | 11:01 am |
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Teruki M. | OK, I will I am
on my laptop (netbook) and not at office so I don't have the program
now | 11:01 am |
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Dejan M. | This could pose
a problem | 11:01 am |
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Dejan M. | I saw from
projects you posted that files you asked from those people have noise | 11:01 am |
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Dejan M. | | 11:00 am |
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Dejan M. | I must first
have the files that don't work | 11:00 am |
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Teruki M. | | 11:00 am |
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Dejan M. | | 11:00 am |
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Teruki M. | Also, could you
give me an estimate? | 11:00 am |
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Teruki M. | Would you mind
email my programmer, because I think you know a lot about this(I can
tell) | 10:59 am |
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Dejan M. | | 10:59 am |
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Dejan M. | You must ask,
or we are going no where | 10:59 am |
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Teruki M. | Not specific
questions, but rather a favor | 10:59 am |
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Teruki M. | I think I have
to ask you 2 things | 10:59 am |
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Dejan M. | | 10:59 am |
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Teruki M. | more or less,
but not completely. | 10:58 am |
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Dejan M. | | 10:58 am |
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Dejan M. | Do you have any
question up to now? | 10:58 am |
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Dejan M. | In order to
check this, you must know how this works, and how audio files are built | 10:57 am |
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Dejan M. | If it is, then
you check its properties to see if it could be played with changed
speed | 10:57 am |
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Teruki M. | | 10:57 am |
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Dejan M. | If it's not
wav, then you continue | 10:56 am |
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Dejan M. | Before you
play it, you check its extension | 10:56 am |
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Dejan M. | and you use
MediaElement to play it | 10:56 am |
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Dejan M. | | 10:55 am |
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Dejan M. | | 10:55 am |
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Dejan M. | Otherwise, you
are not in that | 10:55 am |
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Dejan M. | If you know
the solution, you know it | 10:55 am |
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Dejan M. | Unwritten rule
in this area | 10:55 am |
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Dejan M. | One more
thing, about the guy who also sent the proposal | 10:55 am |
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Dejan M. | It is really
important to set the things right | 10:54 am |
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Teruki M. | | 10:54 am |
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Dejan M. | It's not the
problem at all | 10:54 am |
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Dejan M. | Ok, just say
when you want me to stop | 10:54 am |
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Teruki M. | | 10:54 am |
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Teruki M. | | 10:53 am |
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Dejan M. | | 10:53 am |
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Teruki M. | | 10:53 am |
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Dejan M. | | 10:53 am |
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Dejan M. | Or better yet,
the algorithm | 10:53 am |
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Dejan M. | | 10:53 am |
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Dejan M. | So, regarding
the program I have | 10:53 am |
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Dejan M. | No machine is
speed enought to do it | 10:52 am |
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Dejan M. | That's way you
don't have video games looking like real world | 10:52 am |
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Dejan M. | And find the
appropriate proporsion between quality and speed | 10:52 am |
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Dejan M. | | 10:51 am |
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Dejan M. | But it will
need hours or days, for video for instance | 10:51 am |
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Dejan M. | Because you
can have perfect reproduction | 10:51 am |
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Dejan M. | You are
dealing with quality versus speed | 10:51 am |
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Dejan M. | No matter if
it is audio or video | 10:51 am |
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Dejan M. | One thing you
must understand is that you cannot be sure when conversion is in
question | 10:50 am |
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Dejan M. | But there is
more to that | 10:50 am |
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Dejan M. | It has many
features, so I'll will scale it in order to be faster | 10:50 am |
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Dejan M. | I already have
the program | 10:49 am |
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Dejan M. | | 10:49 am |
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Dejan M. | The is also a
programmatic way to do it, which is necessary if you don't know in
advance what file you will play | 10:49 am |
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Teruki M. | | 10:49 am |
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Teruki M. | K, that means
you make a program and somehow integrate into the exsiting program? | 10:49 am |
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Dejan M. | | 10:48 am |
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Dejan M. | Here is one of
the FREE programs to do that | 10:48 am |
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Dejan M. | Not the
programmer himself | 10:48 am |
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Teruki M. | | 10:48 am |
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Dejan M. | Also, it is
done by another program | 10:47 am |
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Teruki M. | | 10:47 am |
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Dejan M. | It is not the
way it shoud be done | 10:47 am |
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Dejan M. | First of all,
don't think anymore about converting everything to mp3 | 10:47 am |
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Teruki M. | | 10:46 am |
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Dejan M. | I'll start to
write, so please interrupt me if you have anything to write | 10:46 am |
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Teruki M. | Hi, OK, a
bit about what I'm doing. I hired my programmer and tried to make
speed changer audio player. I am not a programmer and my programmer did
everything he did and found out it would not work properly on WAV. Since
he promised to make it work , he is now working hard and thinking about
every possible solution.
He says he can do to converting to mp3
himself (so I don't have to pay extra), but he preffers to make it
happen by not converting to other file extentions.
I still did
not understand(sorry) but if it is converting to mp3 and make it play or
something then my programmer can do it.
What would you say? and
sorry if I didn't get the point of wwhat you wrote... | 10:45 am |
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Teruki M. | I read it and I
am writing a message too. Please wait... | 10:40 am |
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Dejan M. | Let me first
introduce myself. I was working on high-tech project at branch office of
respectable company from Germany. I'm not there anymore because I'm
trying to finish my Ph.D. thesis. I was working on application were time
and memory are very critical, thus I'm used to write application to
fullfil this condition. I also worked on compilers, my M.Sc. thesis was
high level optimization technique. And so on, you got the point already.
In accordance to previously stated I planned to follow this concept
for you application, too.
First of all, nothing will be done manually. And second, also very
important, it will be done ONLY if necessary (which I already
emphasized). Taking in account that audio file won't play if you change
it's extension (e.g. something.wav to something.mp3), at least on
windows and for convenient application, the test should be done only if
file is wav.
Then you test if this file should be converted. I explained the rest
of it. | 10:37 am |
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Teruki M. | | 10:37 am |
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Dejan M. | I'll wait
until you read it | 10:36 am |
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Teruki M. | | 10:36 am |
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Dejan M. | | 10:36 am |
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Dejan M. | Do you want me
to send the message I've just written | 10:36 am |
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Teruki M. | | 10:36 am |
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Dejan M. | in a
non-programmer style | 10:36 am |
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Dejan M. | | 10:35 am |
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Teruki M. | Yes, but I am
not a programmer so I don't know I much I can say | 10:34 am |
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Dejan M. | Do you have a
time for short overview? | 10:34 am |
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Teruki M. | | 10:34 am |
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Teruki M. | | 10:34 am |
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Dejan M. | I see that you
are in the workroom. | 10:34 am |
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Dejan M. | | 10:33 am |
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Dejan M. | I was just
starting my message to you | 10:33 am |
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Dejan M. | | 10:33 am |
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Teruki M. | Hi, it is
not from the programmer, just still from me.
About the second
solution we were talking about. (Oh, by the way, I am not a
programmer and I don't understand most of it, but as much as I
understand)
We were thinking about as the second option to
convert all the wav files into mp3 or wma so that it would play, but in
this case the quality would be different, hence the second option.
We
thought from your first message what you would do was the same. However,
it is completely different, is that correct?
Also, if you are to
do this, could you give me the estimate just to make sure it is
completely out of my budget. I am ready for pay more, but I need some
idea. (doesn't have to be exact bit at this point. Rough estimate would
work fine)
Thank you so much. Teruki | 9:38 am |
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Teruki M. | Thanks for
your replies. I certainly appreciate it! I just woke up so I'll
contact my programmer and see what he will say. Thanks again and
please wait for a while.
Regards, Teruki | 7:58 am |
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Dejan M. | Hello,
I forgot to mention one more thing - if you choose to implement wav
decoder yourself, it would be project on its own, and it requires lot of
time because you would implement custom component that already exist in
.NET. And it will cost very much.
I didn't understand whether you are concerned about the quality of
converted files because the quality would be THE SAME as for the wav
files you can play. The performance penalty won't exist since files are
scanned before played and converted if necessary. The original file is
preserved and the temporary file is deleted when another audio is
loaded. The implementation I have is very fast (on my Core 2 Duo 3GHz it
is done in less than a second for 34MB wav file), it is not .NET
aplication, but it can be externaly called.
One way or another, these files are converted anyway by the decoder
in order to be played on the device.
What I don't understand is your message in which you stated that you
are already thinking about the second option, but you actually don't
know why this happens. If you don't know the exact reason why this
happens, how can you implement that algorithm?
You can see by the number of proposals submitted how difficult this
is. However, this is my field, part of my M.Sc. thesis was about audio
codecs.
Looking forward to hearing from you,
Dejan | 6:47 am |
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Dejan M. | Hello Teruki,
it is impossible to play all wav files in its original form due to
software limitations, which you can see in Windows media player. You
just have to do the following in Windows Media Player 11, for instance:
1. add two wav files in you playlist, one with the problem and one
without it
2. go to View -> Enhacements -> Play Speed settings
and try to change the speed in both files
You will see that you have the same problems here as you had in your
player. For the problematic file you won't even have enabled slider
for changing speed.
There is a way to fix this without noticable difference (I tried it
with "Soldier of Fortune" by Deep Purple). If you are still interested,
please send me a message. I can provide the complete solution in three
working days, as stated in my proposal. I already did everything, and it
works, the only part left is to integrate it in the right way. It will
play all the wav files, you don't have to worry about it. However,
because this is a complex solution, it will cost more.
Thanks in advance,
Dejan | Yesterday 10:37
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Teruki M. | Hi, To
report an error is not an solution and the second option is something
we are already thinking about as the second option. But what we want is
actually play all wav files. Thanks | Yesterday 5:02 pm |
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Dejan M. | Hello Teruki,
I've just placed the bid and if you want me to be in this workroom
at any time, please send me a message. My time zone is six hours ahead
of you, but this won't pose any problem. You can refer to your time in
Toronto or to time in this workroom.
Looking forward to hearing from you,
Dejan | Yesterday 3:19
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