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Teruki M.
OK, talk to you soon.
3:13 pm
Dejan M.
Looking forward to hearing from you
3:13 pm
Dejan M.
please send me a message
3:13 pm
Dejan M.
If you want me to be here any particular time according to your time or this workroom's time
3:12 pm
Teruki M.
OK I'll let him know
3:12 pm
Dejan M.
It's just that I don't have any questions for him yet
3:12 pm
Dejan M.
And please note that I am not trying to avoid your programmer
3:11 pm
Dejan M.
If you are still here
3:11 pm
Dejan M.
Should be back in 30 minutes
3:11 pm
Teruki M.
OK, thanks for your time
3:11 pm
Dejan M.
I have to go now
3:11 pm
Dejan M.
Without it I can not go further
3:10 pm
Dejan M.
This is the main condition
3:10 pm
Dejan M.
I just need to see if conversion is ok
3:10 pm
Teruki M.
You could see what I am expecting though?
3:10 pm
Teruki M.
Even without the source code?
3:09 pm
Dejan M.
No, I don't need the software yet
3:09 pm
Dejan M.
Yes, it will be just transformed to the form of wav files that are not problematic, and you are satisfied with there quality, am I right?
3:08 pm
Teruki M.
OK, do you want me to send across the software as of now so that you can see the quality with working files?
3:08 pm
Dejan M.
When I send you the samples
3:08 pm
Teruki M.
OK, so the voice quality is kept.
3:08 pm
Dejan M.
And you will have to verify this
3:08 pm
Dejan M.
That is also very important point
3:07 pm
Dejan M.
Conversion won't degrade the quality
3:07 pm
Dejan M.
It will just translate them to the form in which are the wav files that you can play with different speed
3:07 pm
Teruki M.
Sorry I did not understand what you meant by this"Please be aware that conversion won't do anything with the quality"
3:07 pm
Dejan M.
at least, it should not in theory
3:06 pm
Dejan M.
Please be aware that conversion won't do anything with the quality
3:06 pm
Dejan M.
4. I will know what should be changed once I try the files you sent
3:06 pm
Teruki M.
Did you say you are 6 hours ahead of me?
3:06 pm
Teruki M.
No problem,
3:05 pm
Dejan M.
So please be prepare for this
3:05 pm
Dejan M.
soon
3:04 pm
Dejan M.
I might need to go outside for a while
3:04 pm
Teruki M.
Great, I am understanding it :)
3:04 pm
Dejan M.
Just one thing
3:04 pm
Dejan M.
Yes, that's it
3:04 pm
Teruki M.
IS that right?
3:04 pm
Teruki M.
when not wav --> play
when wav --> see if it play
when wav which can't play --> convert
3:04 pm
Dejan M.
All those things are closely related
3:03 pm
Teruki M.
Let me clarify,
3:03 pm
Dejan M.
Yes
3:03 pm
Dejan M.
I maybe didn't emphasized this part about optimization, but it's an important one
3:03 pm
Teruki M.
That as you explained before, right?
3:03 pm
Dejan M.
But it would be done ONLY for wav files and ONLY when it is needed
3:02 pm
Teruki M.
yeah...
3:02 pm
Dejan M.
Otherwise it would not make any sense
3:02 pm
Dejan M.
3. the general idea is to convert the file before it is played, and I said that it will be fast, it is optimized
3:01 pm
Dejan M.
Nothing must not be done in advance
3:00 pm
Dejan M.
it is optimized, but this is a tricky thing and we must be carefull on this
3:00 pm
Dejan M.
As I said, the program is fast
3:00 pm
Teruki M.
Ok with 2
2:59 pm
Teruki M.
I see. I shouldn't say this because it is bidding, but my stance is quality over price
2:59 pm
Dejan M.
Ok with 2?
2:59 pm
Dejan M.
But not much
2:58 pm
Dejan M.
and as I said some part of the price will depend of maintainability of the code
2:58 pm
Teruki M.
Please go ahead
2:58 pm
Dejan M.
But what makes this project complex and the price bigger is the conversion
2:58 pm
Teruki M.
OK. (2)
2:58 pm
Dejan M.
Generally, it should work
2:58 pm
Dejan M.
then you start watching some scene where people run thru the forest, and you can not see anything
2:58 pm
Dejan M.
It's like when you watch the movie with some static background and everything is ok
2:57 pm
Dejan M.
but conversation is different thing
2:56 pm
Dejan M.
I just tested it with music
2:56 pm
Dejan M.
2. I'll be sure that it will work only when I test the files. not before
2:56 pm
Teruki M.
Thanks for (1)
2:56 pm
Dejan M.
1. if my program can successfully convert your files, and I'll need some time to be sure about it, as already explained, then I'll start isolation only the part that is needed for conversion, because program has many features. I will start isolating it when and if you agree that quality and times needed for conversion are ok. I will send you the program only when I see that it works on XP
2:55 pm
Teruki M.
1: how it goes

Once I choose you, you will integrate your software into mine, then you'll see it works.
(and most likely it will)
Then you'll send back my program integrated with yours. Then I'm to change 1 line or2, then it will work with vista or 7.
Is that correct?

2:likeliness it will work
You are almost sure that it will work
Is that correct?

3:Files
But you have to still see if the files are convertible within certain time?
Does this mean you have to convert the file BEFORE it gets played?

4: Converting
You are to convert the file within wav file?
Do you mean you will convert it into different frequency etc?

So far these questions
2:51 pm
Teruki M.
OK, thanks, I'll do so now.
2:45 pm
Teruki M.
I will make questions in order
2:45 pm
Dejan M.
I'll be here
2:45 pm
Dejan M.
Of course
2:45 pm
Teruki M.
So, can I write questions taking 5 minutes?
2:45 pm
Dejan M.
This is not about programming still
2:44 pm
Dejan M.
Ask everything you don't understand please
2:44 pm
Dejan M.
Ok, no problem
2:44 pm
Teruki M.
because I am not familiar with terms
2:44 pm
Teruki M.
I just need time to understand everything or process it
2:44 pm
Teruki M.
Yes,
2:43 pm
Dejan M.
Please ask anything
2:43 pm
Dejan M.
Is there a problem about it?
2:43 pm
Dejan M.
but I don't expect it to be
2:43 pm
Dejan M.
or two, if there should be another parameter
2:43 pm
Dejan M.
It just one line
2:43 pm
Dejan M.
and you will set the same for vista, say to 32KHz
2:43 pm
Dejan M.
on xp frequency will be say 22KHz
2:42 pm
Teruki M.
So you are very confident on this
2:42 pm
Dejan M.
It just that for instance
2:42 pm
Dejan M.
No, it will work
2:42 pm
Dejan M.
And you'll just have to change 2 lines in configuration file
2:42 pm
Teruki M.
No, but if it doesn't work somehow, then it will be a lot of work for you...
2:41 pm
Dejan M.
This will work on XP
2:41 pm
Dejan M.
Yes, do you have any other idea?
2:41 pm
Teruki M.
on vista etc?
2:41 pm
Teruki M.
So do you first integrate your program into mine, then I'll test with them with my software?
2:41 pm
Dejan M.
you will have parameters set for XP
2:40 pm
Dejan M.
and they will work as expected
2:40 pm
Dejan M.
I will test all problematic files on XP
2:40 pm
Dejan M.
Please ask
2:40 pm
Teruki M.
About "Once you get my solutions, you will be able to test files and change parameters for any platform"
2:40 pm
Teruki M.
yes
2:39 pm
Dejan M.
any questions so far?
2:39 pm
Teruki M.
go ahed
2:39 pm
Dejan M.
usually
2:39 pm
Dejan M.
This is how it is done
2:39 pm
Teruki M.
Sorry I am not keeping up...
2:39 pm
Dejan M.
To read from it for every platform
2:39 pm
Dejan M.
I will make configuration file
2:39 pm
Dejan M.
On Windows 7 too
2:38 pm
Dejan M.
You will try all problematic files on Vista by changing the condition on which conversion should be done
2:38 pm
Teruki M.
yes
2:38 pm
Dejan M.
For instance
2:37 pm
Dejan M.
Once you get my solutions, you will be able to test files and change parameters for any platform
2:37 pm
Dejan M.
and what's the quality
2:37 pm
Dejan M.
But now I must see if this could be converted, how long it will take
2:36 pm
Teruki M.
What do you mean?
2:36 pm
Dejan M.
and see what is good for you
2:36 pm
Dejan M.
After all, you'll have to experiment a bit
2:36 pm
Teruki M.
that confused us
2:36 pm
Teruki M.
It does, yes
2:35 pm
Dejan M.
but it works
2:35 pm
Dejan M.
It was stated in some post that anything above 192 kbps won't work
2:35 pm
Teruki M.
Oh, I see
2:35 pm
Dejan M.
as far as I noticed
2:35 pm
Dejan M.
Second thing, it's not about bitrate, but about frequency
2:34 pm
Dejan M.
You'll have everything parametrized, so you will be able to set it according to your needs
2:34 pm
Teruki M.
yes
2:34 pm
Dejan M.
so, still the first message
2:34 pm
Teruki M.
I see
2:34 pm
Dejan M.
and 7 doesn't fit
2:34 pm
Dejan M.
I have certain needs
2:33 pm
Dejan M.
But now for some time, that's for sure
2:33 pm
Teruki M.
7 is not as bad
2:33 pm
Dejan M.
and after some patches
2:33 pm
Dejan M.
I'll might reconsider Win 7 after some time
2:33 pm
Teruki M.
Yeah I liked xp
2:33 pm
Dejan M.
Too many processes
2:32 pm
Dejan M.
because I don't like both vista and 7
2:32 pm
Dejan M.
I have here only XP (Home on one PC and Pro on second)
2:32 pm
Dejan M.
Because everything would be parametrized
2:32 pm
Dejan M.
You don't have to worry whether it is Vista or Windows 7 or XP
2:31 pm
Dejan M.
First message :
2:31 pm
Teruki M.
Thank you
2:31 pm
Dejan M.
I read your messages
2:31 pm
Teruki M.
Sure
2:31 pm
Dejan M.
Shall we begin?
2:30 pm
Dejan M.
I've just signed in
2:30 pm
Teruki M.
Hi
2:30 pm
Dejan M.
Hello
2:30 pm
Teruki M.
I'm here
2:30 pm
 
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Teruki M.
Hi,
Something I didn't understand, now that I think of it.

You asked me to send/upload the files which don't work with my program (and I did).
Is it for you to show me that these files will work with your system (program)?

Though I have not tested all wav files, but no wav files ever worked properly on vista anyway.

As much as I understand so far, your program has nothing to do with my program and if a certain wav file works with my program or not doesn't really matter with your solution, is it correct?

If that's the case you don't have to prove that the files which don't work with my program do work with yours. You can just ensure with your program all wav files would work regardless of the platform. (Xp, vista, 7, 32bit, 64 bit) .

Of course, you can give me samples, however if your program has nothing to do with my program, no need to do the test with all the 3 files I uploaded.

Please let me know if I misunderstood anything.

Thanks,
Teruki
1:34 pm
Teruki M.
(I just got your message actually after I wrote this. About the "problematic" files, all or most wav files are not working with altered speed on Vista. We first thought this is a VISTA problem. But we also found out some files are not wroking on windows 7 too. Thanks)


Hi,
There's an uploaded zip folder which has wav files in it.

http://my-u.net/wave.zip

01-Disc1-Track01.wav
This is the one we used to test.
It works with 7 but not vista

RAC-Car-ride051010.wav
It is a file which doesn't play BOTH with 7 and vista.

REC01.wav
It is a file which plays with BOTH 7 and vista, but with vista the sound becomes very sqweeky.
(high ptich like chipmunk)
---------------------------------------------------------------------
We suspected first about it is a "bit rate" problem, after seeing this site.    
http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w...

It says high bit rate wav will not play on this speedratio property.

But it apparently isn't, because one with around 1400kbps works on windows7 but one with 300 kbps does not.


(IMPORTANT - Favor to ask)
I understand you do not NEED anything from my programmer, however, could you please contact my programmer and tell him what you are trying to do?

My programmer and I have been working for this over a month, and we created really a good relationship. Also, after the software is needed for the future upgrading, we have already agreed that I would work with him.

Also, when I suggested to ask someone else for the solution to this problem, he requested that he could talk with the new programmer and I agreed.

So, I understand you do not need him to the solution, but if I could ask you a favor please contact him and have a chat?

He has already been working other programmers for the function for which he is not specialized, and there is a possibility of adding a bit more of a functions to what's already been there.

Of course I will be responsible for the final decision or financial part, however I am more comfortable if both of the programmers have a talk between them.

His contact information
Skype/email : PrescienceDesigns@gmail.com

Thanks for your understanding.
Teruki
12:45 pm
Dejan M.
Hello,

Ok, you don't have to hurry. Regarding files - it would be good if you can upload as much as possible of problematic files, so I can check my conversion program as best as I can. I will contact you as soon as I finish testing. Please note that testing might take some time, because the audio files are long and I must check every second of converted and original file .

Looking forward to hearing from you,
Dejan
12:35 pm
Teruki M.
I'm home and reading the chat again so it says "online" but I haven't uploaded the files yet. I'll let you know as soon as everything is ready, Thanks.
11:59 am
Teruki M.
Sure
11:19 am
Teruki M.
No problem, talk to you soon.
11:19 am
Dejan M.
Looking forward to hearing from you
11:19 am
Dejan M.
Ok, thanks for your time
11:19 am
Dejan M.
and you are the one who decided about the quality of the files converted, which is essential
11:19 am
Dejan M.
The only important thing is to set everything right
11:18 am
Teruki M.
Sure, please wait a bit, thanks
11:18 am
Dejan M.
It's not the problem at all
11:18 am
Dejan M.
I'll contact you when I finish conversion, then if everything is ok, you would be able to check the quality
11:17 am
Teruki M.
OK, im actually in the passengers seat of a car heading home so I"ll do so within an hour
11:17 am
Dejan M.
That would be great, just send me the links
11:17 am
Teruki M.
It depends on the OS, but a couple now.
Oh I can uploade them to my server
11:16 am
Dejan M.
Because limitation for sending files here is 50MB, if I remember correctly
11:16 am
Dejan M.
Those wave files?
11:16 am
Dejan M.
How much do you have that don't work?
11:16 am
Dejan M.
Yes, ok, that's what I needed
11:15 am
Teruki M.
longest
11:15 am
Teruki M.
1 hour is the longers
11:15 am
Teruki M.
the longest
11:15 am
Dejan M.
Yes
11:15 am
Teruki M.
length? about 1 hour
11:14 am
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